We physicians are luddites
Medical Rants October 2nd. 2006, 6:51amYou’ve got mail? Not from the doctor
Every lawyer that I know has a Blackberry (or equivalent). They are always available to their clients and colleagues. Of course, I would bet that they do charge a bit for answering email.
Most physicians still avoid email as a method for patient communication. Are we luddites? Perhaps we do reject change more than other professions. More likely, we do not see the business case for adopting email.
Barely a quarter of physicians use e-mail or other electronic communication to reach patients, up from 20% four years ago, according to the Center for Studying Health System Change, a Washington-based research institution.
By comparison, more than half of doctors use computers to store and access patient notes, up from 37% four years ago.
The limited interaction between doctors and patients on the Internet is a symptom of a healthcare system that in many ways is disconnected from patients’ needs, some experts said.
“Most businesses have e-mail because that’s what their customers want,” said David Cutler, a health economist at Harvard University. “Customers want convenience, but nobody in healthcare gets paid for it.”
Some health plans have begun reimbursing doctors who interact with patients on specially created websites, but the numbers are still negligible and for the most part doctors are not paid unless they see patients face to face.
In their offices, however, doctors are under constant pressure to curtail the time spent with patients because they are paid by volume, said Dr. Marcy Zwelling-Aamot, an internist with a private practice in Los Alamitos and a former president of the Los Angeles County Medical Assn. The last thing most of them want is to give patients another way to get ahold of them.
“They don’t want to be bombarded,” said Zwelling-Aamot, who runs a concierge practice, meaning she doesn’t take insurance. Her patients pay her $1,500 a year for full access to her services, including e-mail consultations. But “I have 500 patients,” she said. Other doctors may “have 3,000 patients.”
Wider use of electronic communication could save time and money and improve quality of care, those who use it say.
I believe that our payment methods (not willing to call it a system) make no sense. We are not paid for the amount of work necessary to properly care for the patient. We are paid a fixed rate for a visit.
Imagine going to a lawyer who charges a fixed price for a will. Now image going to another lawyer who specializes in estate law. If you have a modest income and estate, lawyer number one will save you money now and in the future. If you have a large income and estate, you will want to invest the extra money in obtaining the right lawyer - the estate expert. And you will gladly pay more. You will also understand that the cost will depend on how long the lawyer has to spend on the documents. If you want to talk longer, you just pay a bit more (or with many lawyers more than a bit more).
We understand the relationship of cost and time. Yet in medicine we do not receive compensation based on time, but rather based on unit. Now I know that we have a slight gradation based on the complexity of the visit, but most internists that I know bill level 3 or 4 the great majority of the time. Those who “understand” the billing system also understand that you can bill a level 3 for a 10 minute visit or for a 30 minutes visit.
When you only commodities are knowledge and time, the compensation system will drive the amount of time you can afford to spend with each patient. Thus, many physicians try to shorten the time for each visit - so that they can squeeze more visits into their day. These physicians see email as a non-reimbursed activity, which costs time.
Many physicians thus avoid email communication as another cost of time. The excuses against email communication are actually quite lame. There are secure methods for patient communication. Most insurers do not pay for email. Physician avoidance is mostly about money.
If we do not address the financial inequities among physician activities, then we cannot take advantage of technology to improve care. Our reimbursement methods are the problem. They cause the majority of problems in health care access. They drive the use of testing and procedures. We cannot really fix the current system, we should really start over from scratch.

October 2nd, 2006 at 8:27 am
So do it. Is there not a group of you smart enough to put together the legislation necessary? What’s the holdup here?
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:01 am
Personally, I might be willing to pay $5-$20 of my own money for a short e-mail dialog about an issue. I have lots of “little things” that I don’t feel warrant a doctor’s visit and I’m discouraged from bringing up when I DO have something to visit a doctor about (”One item per visit!”).
This might be economical if you have the mailbox tended primarily by staff. I’d suspect many of the questions you’d get via e-mail could be answered without an MD.
Fortunately I have a family member that is a doctor and is willing to trade e-mails about this-and-that, but I’m certain he gets more than his share from other family members and I hate burdening him.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:18 am
The reimbursement structure has not been set up for e-mail and doctors are reluctant to offer care via e-mail that they may not get paid for. Another hesitation is the fact that a patient may leave an urgent problem on an e-mail and if this is not gotten to in a timely fashion it could result in litigation. We have been waiting to institute e-mail until we have a reliable system to make sure these are covered and a plan to be able to bill for them.
Probably the best suggestion I have heard is that you bill$25 for an online consultation (e-mail) and if it turns into an office visit, you deduct that from the billing of that visit (so patients won’t feel you are “double dipping”). To do this, however, you have to have credit card capabilities on the website.
So CJD, it is not as simple as it sounds.
October 2nd, 2006 at 1:09 pm
You wouldn’t necessarily need credit card capabilities on the site. Require that online consultations come from established patients. That way you already have their medical records and a way to bill them.
October 2nd, 2006 at 1:27 pm
I understand difficulties with doctors’ providing medical care via e-mail. But couldn’t e-mail be used to replace some phone conversations with office stuff or the nurse? Often we need to call the office as a follow up to a prior office visit to let the doctor know (at his/her request) if some medication is working or to mention some side effect of a new medication, etc.
Usually, in these cases the nurse talks to the doctor and calls in prescription change to the pharmacy and calls you back. In some cases the doctor calls you back; in some you just need to leave a message that doesn’t require any reply. If you call to a big and busy medical group with a single phone line for a number of doctors, you can easily spend half an hour or more just waiting your turn. Since the phone is only answered during work hours, it is not always easy to just spend this time on the phone when you are calling from work. Surely some of these cases could be handled via e-mail? Even if it only worked one way: patients can send e-mail, but the nurse/doctor/somebody from the office stuff can call back at their convenience.
October 2nd, 2006 at 2:31 pm
“So CJD, it is not as simple as it sounds. ”
I know it’s not simple. But do you guys even have a complex proposal for rectifying the problem? So far you’re heavy on complaints, short on solutions.
October 2nd, 2006 at 2:41 pm
CJD: It’s because there are way too many people making way too much money with the present system to allow it to change. The insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, and the trial lawyers have more than enough legislators bought and paid for to maintain the status quo indefinitely.
Doctors, who are primarily interested in taking care of their patients and only secondarily invested in making a living, don’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of making any meaningful difference.
October 2nd, 2006 at 2:58 pm
“Doctors, who are primarily interested in taking care of their patients and only secondarily invested in making a living, don’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of making any meaningful difference. ”
Settle down, Saint Physician. Somehow, you all seem to find time to make it to the statehouse to cut the recovery of the legitimately injured in the hope of making more money from redued premiums.
You’re the wealthiest profession in the world - a few of you can’t take some time off to develop some legislation? The rest of you wouldn’t chip in a few bucks now to support those who take the time off?
Be serious. You have the most to gain by change, in terms of compensation and quality of life. So where are your proposals?
October 2nd, 2006 at 3:02 pm
OK, CJD:
You are a good lawyer-type (compliment or insult, you choose). You don’t address the substance of what I say, you just attack a misrepresentation of it. My point was that there are reasonable reservations that physicians have. Our office is completely computerized as far as our medical records are concerned so I have a very good understanding of the technical issues involved, and I know that seemingly simple things have resulted in significant disruption of care for our patients. Don’t assume that it is simply stupidity or stubbornness on the part of the physicians. I am not at all afraid of change, yet I know that you need to make dramatic changes like going to e-mail (which will be a HUGE change) with great care. We are presently getting things in place to make the switch, and it is a very big task. The majority of physicians are not nearly as technically smart as our practice and so it will take a much greater re-engineering of their practices than it will take ours.
You don’t always have to be a contrarian. I was not personally attacking you, I just feel that someone on the outside does not understand the difficulty of making this type of transition. I speak nationally on the adoption of computers in medical practice and yet I feel it is difficult. Can’t you take my word for it?
October 2nd, 2006 at 5:52 pm
Rob,
I’m not talking about that transition - I’m talking the transition to a system that would allow you to be paid for returning that email, for spending more time with your clients, etc.
I’m talking about proposals to eliminate the third party payer system that you guys complain so much about. I know it’s not simple - but it’s not like it’s a new problem, and we’ve seen little legislatively from physicians.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:31 pm
CJD,
Thanks for the straightforward response. I agree with your assessment that physicians like to sit around and whine a lot and not do things about it. I have ranted on this in the P4P discussion. We hate the idea of things because other people are doing them to us. Well, why don’t we do it better ourselves?
In the e-mail arena, we have definite plans; we just are taking care to implement properly. Our office is already ahead of the curve on this stuff and we intend to stay there. This has allowed us to push the market to some extent, as people recognize what is actually possible if an office is run differently.
I am not saying we are there yet - the present reimbursement system handcuffs primary care physicians terribly in our ability to invest in change - overhead margins are very slim and can kill your paycheck if you are not careful. Yet it is possible to make big changes and there are many starting to do so.
Another big part of the problem is that most of the medical societies are more apt to cry for the status quo (even when it sucks) than to lead change. Physicians may not be able to run the show, but we certainly can do more than we are doing now.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:47 pm
Heya,
Still get sued, don’t get paid.
(Still liable, not remunerated.)
Or else I for one would really like email medicine.
–drncc–
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:12 pm
As it is, phone calls really add to the work of a physician. Especially because they don’t get compensated, they are viewed as additional work - even if they are part of the care of patients. Many patients know that when they call their physician they won’t reach him/her right away, and will have to get a call back. I think that discourages some of the less important issues. If patients knew they had email access to their doctor, they’d be firing off an email with every little minor problem. Why go to the doctor and pay a co-pay, I’ll just send an email…
October 4th, 2006 at 9:11 pm
I’ve started giving out my email address to selected patients. One was a little abusive with it - but did send me bitchin’ pix of herself as s motercycle grandma, so I guess that makes up for some. Most of the others were appropriate. Med refills. Remind me to order a mammo. I especially like it when my diabetic folks email me their sugars, so I can tweak their insulin.
We have an encryption service, so it is HIPAA compliant. I’ve only had one patinet’s spam filter totaly reject it. And it doesn’t stop the VIagra refill requests that one would send from his workplace. I’d repply with encryption, but his initial email is out there on the http://www.
And it did save a life. A patient emailed me with weird symptoms. I didn’t like the sound of them & said to get thee to the ER. She showed it to her boss & he let her go w/o an argument. Turned out that may have saved her life. Glad she didin’t have to wait until I got to the bottom of my in-box on my desk.
No, I don’t get paid for this. Yes, I’d like to. But, in the managed care world, managing a panel is almost as good as billling for a visit.
October 5th, 2006 at 5:56 pm
CJD,
I enjoy reading your perspectives on the various issues that are presented on this site, keep up the posting!